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Post by 32gbpadfal on Aug 20, 2009 18:56:48 GMT
Could any one help me out please, I am after filling in the remaining C/S for a Sqn in the 50’s I presume that they did not change until the late 70’s early 80’s. Also after the Col tank C/S and the regimental 2i/c.
OC
2I/C
SSM
SQMS
1ST TROOP
TP LDR 1
SGT 1A
CPL 1B
2ND TROOP
TP LDR 2
SGT 2A
CPL 2B
3RD TROOP
TP LDR 3
SGT 3A
CPL 31B
4TH TROOP
TP LDR 4
SGT 4A
CPL 4B
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ARV
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Post by greentanky on Aug 20, 2009 21:13:01 GMT
All depends what Sqdn you want. 'A' starts with a 1,'B' with a 2 and 'C' with a 3.e.g.Say you want Tp Sgt 10 Tp C Sqdn that would be c/s 32A or Tp Ldr 7 Tp B Sqdn would be c/s 23 and so on.Hope that helps.
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Post by 32gbpadfal on Aug 21, 2009 14:16:07 GMT
All depends what Sqdn you want. 'A' starts with a 1,'B' with a 2 and 'C' with a 3.e.g.Say you want Tp Sgt 10 Tp C Sqdn that would be c/s 32A or Tp Ldr 7 Tp B Sqdn would be c/s 23 and so on.Hope that helps. Greentanky now I am confused, I have photo's of my dads troop in Suez which was 9th Troop C Sqn and they had 1 troop leader, 1A Sgt Jock Lumsden, and 1B which was the old mans tank so I thought 1 to 4 troops in all the Sqns were numbered that way. Sgt Jacknik was in A Sqn and his C/S was 4A unless they only used this method during the war? Also what would be the OC, 2IC, SQMS and SSM'S C/S be? In todays C/S they would be OB, OC, 23A, 33A Cheers Paul |
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Post by greentanky on Aug 21, 2009 19:04:24 GMT
Just imagine the chaos if you had 3x 1 troop,3x 2 troop etc on the regimental net.They might have had some special system for Suez but you have to differentiate between each Sqdn or else the whole thing wouldn't work.George
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Post by arthur3bums on Aug 21, 2009 21:07:11 GMT
All depends what Sqdn you want. 'A' starts with a 1,'B' with a 2 and 'C' with a 3.e.g.Say you want Tp Sgt 10 Tp C Sqdn that would be c/s 32A or Tp Ldr 7 Tp B Sqdn would be c/s 23 and so on.Hope that helps. Greentanky now I am confused, I have photo's of my dads troop in Suez which was 9th Troop C Sqn and they had 1 troop leader, 1A Sgt Jock Lumsden, and 1B which was the old mans tank so I thought 1 to 4 troops in all the Sqns were numbered that way. Sgt Jacknik was in A Sqn and his C/S was 4A unless they only used this method during the war? Also what would be the OC, 2IC, SQMS and SSM'S C/S be? In todays C/S they would be OB, OC, 23A, 33A Cheers Paul Gruffster mate Green Tanky is well on the button Sqn OC A Sqn Sqn Ldr - 1A 2i/c - 1B Tp Sgt (Full screw normally) 1C - Dozer 1st Troop 11=Ldr 11A= Sgt 11B = Cpl And so on 2 to 4 Troop Each Squadron would then have a different pre-cursor ie: B=2 - C=3 As far as I'm aware, D Squadron as a formation did not happen until at least 1979. 3RTR certainly had GW etc as part of C&S Sqn until D Squadron formed as we were in Paderborn. As GT says, I think what is confusing you is Specific to Operation callsigns which you appear to be describing.....It may have been that instead of a Squadron Number ie 14A- they may have used a form of continually changing callsign indicator for each Squadron on a Command net such as Sierra4A..........even though ad-hoc systems shouldn't happen....they do.....look at Iraq where C/S's were substituted by a lettering system. The OC used to take the callsign of his tank as his nomer ie - OC A Sqn = 1A then he could split by using 'Sunray speaking' eg. He did have a personal callsign but beggared if I can remember it now.......have got a Pam 9 but not that old!!! |
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Post by soprano54 on Aug 21, 2009 22:09:20 GMT
Greentanky now I am confused, I have photo's of my dads troop in Suez which was 9th Troop C Sqn and they had 1 troop leader, 1A Sgt Jock Lumsden, and 1B which was the old mans tank so I thought 1 to 4 troops in all the Sqns were numbered that way. Sgt Jacknik was in A Sqn and his C/S was 4A unless they only used this method during the war? Also what would be the OC, 2IC, SQMS and SSM'S C/S be? In todays C/S they would be OB, OC, 23A, 33A Cheers Paul Gruffster mate Green Tanky is well on the button Sqn OC A Sqn Sqn Ldr - 1A 2i/c - 1B Tp Sgt (Full screw normally) 1C - Dozer 1st Troop 11=Ldr 11A= Sgt 11B = Cpl And so on 2 to 4 Troop Each Squadron would then have a different pre-cursor ie: B=2 - C=3 As far as I'm aware, D Squadron as a formation did not happen until at least 1979. 3RTR certainly had GW etc as part of C&S Sqn until D Squadron formed as we were in Paderborn. As GT says, I think what is confusing you is Specific to Operation callsigns which you appear to be describing.....It may have been that instead of a Squadron Number ie 14A- they may have used a form of continually changing callsign indicator for each Squadron on a Command net such as Sierra4A..........even though ad-hoc systems shouldn't happen....they do.....look at Iraq where C/S's were substituted by a lettering system. The OC used to take the callsign of his tank as his nomer ie - OC A Sqn = 1A then he could split by using 'Sunray speaking' eg. He did have a personal callsign but beggared if I can remember it now.......have got a Pam 9 but not that old!!! ISTR it was 1/2/39A!  1/2/39C was his L/R 1/2/39F was the ambulance 1/2/38 A/B/C were the Fitters HTH |
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Post by 32gbpadfal on Aug 22, 2009 8:19:48 GMT
Now very confused!!!!!!!! George I can see your point but if they put a letter in front which was changed daily that would sort out the confusion of 3 troops using the number one but hey I dont know. A3B sadly This picture may put paid to your theory as the tank is my old mans with his driver Tpr Purkiss having a fag. Unless the number painted on the side was used for loading, who knows but i have pictures of the troop which goes 1 2Lt Hetherington, 1A Sgt Jock Lumsden and 1B Cpl Bob Brewer although some pictures of A Sqn show no such markings except for the H and Black line around the turret.  I am inclined to go with both of you on the Sqns having a number to indicate each Sqn followed by 1,2,3,4 indicating the troop and A,B indicating Sgt or Cpl. S54 what is the 1/2 bit at the front of each C/S indicator? |
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Post by soprano54 on Aug 22, 2009 15:39:02 GMT
S54 what is the 1/2 bit at the front of each C/S indicator? 1 A Sqn OC ie 19A 2 B Sqn OC ie 29A 3 C Sqn OC ie 39A Happy? |
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Post by 32gbpadfal on Aug 22, 2009 16:23:18 GMT
S54 what is the 1/2 bit at the front of each C/S indicator? 1 A Sqn OC ie 19A 2 B Sqn OC ie 29A 3 C Sqn OC ie 39A Happy? Most definately! thank you kindly |
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Post by greentanky on Aug 22, 2009 19:44:04 GMT
Paul,
In your photo the c/s is on the front bazooka plate which I've never seen before,it's usually on the turret bins although it might have been on their as well.George.
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Post by vmecha on Aug 23, 2009 10:43:47 GMT
x8A = 432
x8B = 434
x8C = ARV
That was in the 70's for the saber sqns - not sure if it was different in the earlier years
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Post by texas on Aug 23, 2009 12:01:05 GMT
I think the best people to ask would be Dennis Fisher or Reg Robinson their E-mail addresses are floating about somewhere.
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Post by son-of-tiny on Aug 23, 2009 14:59:04 GMT
texas ref your last soprano54 would have done so mate, eyes think
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